Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Cnulan - You Have Earned Placement In The Hall Of Shame

Offender: Cnulan - Who has mastered the two fancy words - 'Essentialism" and "Milieu"

Crime Scene: "Booker Rising" in a post about Good guy (when he was a socialist) turned bad Conservative George S. Schuyler

According to the good man cnulan - I am a "RCDOWSABR" which is a "Republican Capitalist Defender of White Supremacist Anti-Black Rhetoric"

Here are the words of cnulan:

cnulan
[quote]CF/CS RCDOWSABR;

What do you use the three books either by or about Schuyler for then, library fluffing decoration?

As I commented upthread. The anti-essentialist critique posted at the top of bookerrising did not emanate from Schuyler's later, apparently reactionary conservative commentary - rather - it came from a very specific culturo-political millieu to which he was compelled to strongly respond.

Schuyler skewered essentialism more strongly than anyone prior or subsequent to his time. For Black folks to have entertained racialism or essentialism in any manner, form, or fashion during the peak years of the rise of Nazism both abroad and to an extent here at home - would have been the absolute height of foolishness.

Yet there were more than a few elements embracing Black essentialism, and not just Garvey and Elijah Muhammad. There were at that time a number of the "best trained" "best educated" kneegrow minds embracing eugenic pseudo-science.

Schuyler managed to clown all of these busters in one or two wildly popular fictitious fell swoops. He was a genius well ahead of his time.
cnulan[/quote


To Which I Replied
[quote]and perhaps somewhat doddering and dependent reactionary conservative writings in opposition to MLK and the civil rights movement.[/quote]

In reverse order -

Culan - if Schuyler is said to be a an "OPPONENT" of the Civil Rights Movement" can you classify him has being AGAINST the liberation of and justice for Black people? Or just in opposition to the TACTICS of those who were operatives within?

Can you argue the same about Malcolm X? If criticism of the operatives within the movement is your measure of being "opposed to the Civil Rights Movement" then indeed Malcolm X should stand as Schuyler stands with you. In a previous post I have detailed how the 3 legs of the freedom movement - Black liberal, Black revolutionary and Black conservative have each criticized each other.

[quote]What do you use the three books either by or about Schuyler for then, library fluffing decoration?
[/quote]

Gee culan - since my collection of Schuyler books is about triple the size of most African American's I can only guess what you think about them.

[quote]The anti-essentialist critique posted at the top of bookerrising did not emanate from Schuyler's later, apparently reactionary conservative commentary - rather - it came from a very specific culturo-political millieu to which he was compelled to strongly respond.[/quote]

Hummmmm was this when he was in the Army? When he was an ovowed SOCIALIST working with A. Philip Randolf?

Tell us exactly when he was in his "right mind" prior to going over to the "dark side" cnulan?


To which cnulan replied

Gee culan - since my collection of Schuyler books is about triple the size of most African American's I can only guess what you think about them.

The term I used for you and your associates on this thread was "feces flinging". No need for specious and speculative generalizations beyond the quite specific admonishment I posted this morning. I believe that's why nearly all of you post via online aliases - rather than as yourselves.

Hummmmm was this when he was in the Army? When he was an ovowed SOCIALIST working with A. Philip Randolf?

It was in 1926.

if Schuyler is said to be a an "OPPONENT" of the Civil Rights Movement" can you classify him has being AGAINST the liberation of and justice for Black people? Or just in opposition to the TACTICS of those who were operatives within?

His oppositionality was a curmudgeonly mishmash. Much like you, he completely lost his ability to communicate effectively with Black folks, and in the process, he lost his bully pulpit with the Pittsburgh Courier. Had he used his station in the still somewhat independent Black media to communicate more constructively and less shrilly, had he allied himself in Black partisan common cause with the leadership of the CRM, perhaps he could have insinuated some of the vital and autonomous economic self-help program into the latter-day MLK moral pleas for "economic justice"?

There's no arguing that the result of the CRM has been catastrophic for ~25% of Black America. As I have repeatedly pointed out, the Black community's loss of its managerial and professional demographic in the wake of selective housing and economic integration - has resulted in a concentration of social pathologies now used to stigmatize all Black folks.

That said, these were not the basis of Schuyler's doddering and scattershot critique of either the CRM or its actor/agents, nor, do these facts occupy any station within your own endless anti-Black bloviations either.


To which I replied
[quote]Much like you, he completely lost his ability to communicate effectively with Black folks, and in the process, he lost his bully pulpit with the Pittsburgh Courier. Had he used his station in the still somewhat independent Black media to communicate more constructively and less shrilly, had he allied himself in Black partisan common cause with the leadership of the CRM, perhaps he could have insinuated some of the vital and autonomous economic self-help program into the latter-day MLK moral pleas for "economic justice"?[/quote]

cnulan:

Besides the "blah blah blah" I heard you say that the bottom line of the story is that the MESSAGE that Schuyer put forth in the end was not POPULAR with Black folks and thus they rejected it because it was incongruent with what they are more COMFORTABLE with accepting.

I continue to be puzzled as to why operatives like you (and those posting as charter members of your fan club) focus more on the Black people who have lost their "ability to communicate effectively with Black folks" INSTEAD OF keenly focusing on those Blacks who are ON STAGE with all ears and eyes from the Blacks in the audience trained upon them?

Did I tell you about my experience yesterday? (http://functionalculture.blogspot.com/2008/04/my- experience-in-urban-elementary.html)

Cnulan - the RAPPER "HAD HIS ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH BLACK PEOPLE". It was the CONTENT of the message that was ultimately rotten on the inside despite looking so tasty upon initial inspection.

Why are you and others so drawn to POPULARITY?

Why do you talk about the missed opportunity that Shuyler had to "align himself with the CR leadership" but say little regarding IF his critique of their antics PROVED TO BE CORRECT?

Indeed the words of one of his contemporaries - Zora Neale Hurston regarding the foibles and racial indignity of forced integration proved to be correct.

Why are you so disinclined to turn a critical eye upon those who HAVE THE POWER and INFLUENCE over our people but who progressed forward with respect to IDEOLOGICAL advancement instead of one which respected effective results?


To which cnulan replied
CF/CS RCDOWSABR,

Like yourself, neither Schuyler or the subjects of his confused scorn ultimately proved effective. The moral of the story was presented for your specific edification. Presumably, you have within your means the ability to stop marginalizing yourself via misdirected and demonstrably ineffective Schuylerian shrillness.

Take the lesson CF/CS....,


Me again
Like yourself, neither Schuyler or the subjects of his confused scorn ultimately proved effective.[/quote]

cnulan - it all depends on WHERE you assume my attempted "domain of EFFECTIVENESS" is drawn for your answer to be a correct one. Unfortunately it is not a correct answer.

You see - think of the scope of my interests being a cascading ring of concentric circles. Indeed I am most concerned with my own EFFECTIVENESS at translating the vision that my wife and I share upon my children and thus my own house. The next circle is my extended family then my circle of friends; my immediate community - you get the picture.

cnulan I have learned from a lifetime of experience that it is patently foolish for me to attempt to include into my "Friends and Family plan" someone who only shares a common SKIN COLOR with me but how rejects or even repudiates every thing else that I firmly believe in.

Thus I ask you NOT to judge me for my "failure" to get those who's action are distorted from what is our commonly understood Black Best Interests". I only hope that one day you will see fit to cast your judgment and scrutiny upon THEM - letting them know how EFFECTIVE they are. For some reason people assume their INFERIORITY in their ability to grasp that their systematic actions contribute to their ultimate end point and thus those outsiders never talk TO THEM. Instead they seek to have benefit RAIN DOWN upon them - absent the requirement for them to make any particular change to receive their long sought ofter salvation.

If ONLY we could get you to key in on the people who are NOT EFFECTIVE and yet hold a greater proportional threat to the advancement of Black people and our interests per their position of power over our community as elected officials, actor-vists of influence and entertainers that put out various messages that ultimately impact us.


I asked him to define the label RCDOWSABR

Gravatar Republican Capitalist Defender of White Supremacist Anti-Black Rhetoric.
Gravatar It was a tribute to your overexcited acronym invectives on those Black folk with whom you find yourself at ideological odds..., I don't recall off the top of my head your specific favored coinages.


I then had to break it down and school him:
Wow.

Republican
Nope. While I reject the conditioned "fear" of the Republican party and I agree with more of their economic policies than I do of the Democrats....I am not a Republican. I did not vote in the party primaries. (Did you?)

cnulan - You appear to be a history buff. When you hear about the Blacks that were slaughtered so that the Democrats could gain power in the Colfax Massacre - how does this make you feel about your party?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Col...Colfax_massacre


Capitalist Defender
Guilty as charged!!

I have no problem defending the system that brought to me the computer that I am typing on now and my lifestyle in general. It allowed me to apply my book knowledge into the real world and thus I have "universal health care" in my house.

White Supremacist
This is disappointing, even coming from you.

cnulan - in addition of seeing myself as being fully EQUAL to the White man it seems that my main offense is when I attempt to make certain Black people to be EQUAL TO WHITE FOLKS when they assault, kill or steal our property. It appears that a Black man can get along easier with the POPULAR sentiment among Black folks if he practices "Non-White White Supremacy". This is the assumption of Black Inferiority as a means of excusing some of the results that come from their productive ends.

For some reason they argue about the injured state of the Black man but they have a problem when I point out that THEY are detailing the "Inferior Position" of the Black man. As long as everyone agrees that SOMEONE ELSE made us INFERIOR and that we don't call it "inferiority" one is not subject to attack.

Anti-Black Rhetoric.
Now this one is the most offensive of all cnulan.

You say "Anti-Black"?
For something to be judged so then someone needs to be the "Keeper Of All Things Black" and thus we can reference which part of what I say is indeed "anti-Black".

In my dealings with the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism-Chaser (which you are proving yourself to be as I understand you more) I make note that they operate on the assumption of what is POPULARLY ASSUMED to be the "Best Interests of Black people" rather than what can be EMPIRICALLY PROVEN TO BE the Best Interests of Black people.

I predict that as we iron out this "Anti-Black" thing that your judgment of me will turn out to be in this same light.

cnulan - I have never killed, raped, assaulted (well minus my youthful fist fights), or committed a felony against another Black person in my life. These is the typical framework of measurement of those who are "Anti-Black" in their function.

In typical fashion of an "attack sheep dog" you appear to want to control me. Any "wayward sheep" that strays from the beaten path must be bitten on the back of its neck and put back in line with the flock. Asking questions about the performance and results from the POPULAR policy initiatives seems to paint an "X" upon a person for specific targeting by the Attack Sheep Dogs.

Cnulan - not that I obtain my self-worth as a Black man from you our anything but could you detail the Anti-Black statements that I have made?

You can use this blog and my own blogs (withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com and functionalculture.blogspot.com)

Thank you in advance

]It was a tribute to your overexcited acronym invectives on those Black folk with whom you find yourself at ideological odds..., I don't recall off the top of my head your specific favored coinages.[/quote]

Dude - you can do much better than this.

Any brother who uses the word "essentialism" and "milieu" (you spelled it wrong by the way) is INDEED a brother who is more capable than making such a hack label as such.

I am proud of the BQPFRC label!
It was sculpted over time. It is not implicitly slanderous as you make it out to be but instead is an accurate FUNCTIONAL description of a certain group of people and their proclivities.

You see cnulan - we could all move back to Africa and STILL my label would be intact. Yours falls apart with the Republican reference and the "Anti-Black" references. I assure you that when Black Africans CUSS the condition that Robert Mugabe left them in - they are NOT talking about his COLOR but instead his POLICIES!!!


Finally I crafted a more accurate label
You know cnulan - you had me thinking on my drive home.

Since I created a label that is functional and thus allowed me to avoid using the label "Black Liberal" I knew that one day I would have to craft a label that more functionally described the "Black Conservative"

After many fits and starts over time here it goes.

First let allow me to break down the other title into its elemental form:

Black - Their Race
Quasi-Socialist - Their economic disposition
Progressive-Fundamentalist - What they are beholden to, without accepting other viewpoints
Racism-Chaser - What they operate as a function of

With that in mind as I was driving home I cam up with:

African-American Market-Driven Cultural-Dogmatic Progressive-Antagonists

(AAMDCDPA)

African-American - Indeed
Market-Driven - Capitalist with outside forces - attempting to leverage what they have to 'sell' to their maximum advantage. A socialist ONLY inside of their "Friends and Family plan" for it is foolish to expect your adversary to make you his equal because you are in the same country.
Culturally-Dogmantic Indeed the average so called "Black Conservative" is biased toward internal resolution of challenges and does not have the sensitive antenna that the BPQPFRC has regarding the negative impact of RACISM/SLAVERY/JIM CROW on Black folks alive now and yet to be born. This may be flawed at times but in the end it is for the beast.
Progressive-Antagonists - I must admit. I love consuming "progressive thought" more than I do watching Bill O'Reilly. I now have more recordings of LinkTV, the biased Black talkshows on my local radio station which I record via computer every day and various newspaper and magazines that skew left than I do of conservative sources. I love reading International Socialist Review. They are further to the left than the Democrats are and they do a far better job at criticizing the Democrats than any Republican could ever think to do.

I enjoy reading the various Black blogs who are providing FREE campaign services for their "Jesus In Chief" in the making - Barack Obama. This allows me to understand those who I so stridently disagree with on a continuing basis.

In summary cnulan - HERE IS WHERE YOU ARE WRONG. When I attack a Black QPFRC I am NOT attacking the "Black Race". I am attacking a LEFTIST who BELIEVES that his views encompass all that is BLACK.

I yield that indeed his is POPULAR among our people. I DON'T YIELD that he possesses that which brings us closer to our COMMON GOALS. If only he could PROVE IT!

If indeed America needs "agitation" so that she will become that which her potential calls out then it is also the case that the POPULAR Black Political movement needs to be agitated. You see cnulan - I view BLACK PEOPLE as PEOPLE and thus having few differences with respect to the trends that we have seen in WHITE FOLKS. Just as "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" is the case with WHITE FOLKS.......such is the case with Blacks as well. There is just no two ways about it.

Where as it is clear that "America" didn't like to be asked questions about its raw underbelly - so is the case with the dominant IDEOLOGY within Black America.

I REFUSE to be considered a fool as I allow my hatred for White folks to allow me to look past what the "Negroes Which Is In Charge" are doing. The basic flaw in the popular strategy is that now that they are in POWER over the government under which we live the fact that they never attempted to obtain mastery of GOVERNANCE AND MANAGEMENT since they were only the "Loyal Opposition" it is the Black people who live under their rule today which suffer from their lack of accountability in their GOVERNANCE of the communities and schools over which they preside.


He comes back for more (doesn't defend his position but he is back)
You say "Anti-Black"?
For something to be judged so then someone needs to be the "Keeper Of All Things Black" and thus we can reference which part of what I say is indeed "anti-Black".

malformed logic CS/CF......,

I didn't say you're "Anti - ALL THINGS - Black" - that would have been RCDOWSAATBR

As you quite clearly consider yourself a paragon of Black virtue, it would be erroneous to accuse you of categorical anti-Blackness.

Cnulan - not that I obtain my self-worth as a Black man from you our anything but could you detail the Anti-Black statements that I have made?

sure - but why not instead point out the core generalization which taints the majority of your rhetoric and your thinking with an Anti-Black strain?

In my dealings with the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism-Chaser (which you are proving yourself to be as I understand you more) I make note that they operate on the assumption of what is POPULARLY ASSUMED to be the "Best Interests of Black people" rather than what can be EMPIRICALLY PROVEN TO BE the Best Interests of Black people.

Case in point;

I am proud of the BQPFRC label!
It was sculpted over time. It is not implicitly slanderous as you make it out to be but instead is an accurate FUNCTIONAL description of a certain group of people and their proclivities.

I believe you've pre-emptively noted the extent to which your bloviations are tainted by the Anti-Black zeal I've called to your attention. No need for me to go rummaging around for particular instances..., why, you even have a whole blog dedicated to the preservation of Anti-Black rhetoric to which you've found a great many blogospheric correspondents averse.

My point to you is very simple CF/CS - you've managed to pick up all of Schuyler's self-defeating and self-marginalizing twilight tendencies without ever having exhibited any of the man's formidable peak expository flair. He who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it.


He made my day with that one

[quote]you even have a whole blog dedicated to the preservation of Anti-Black rhetoric to which you've found a great many blogospheric correspondents averse.[/quote]
I love you man!!!!

This is the best laugh that I have had all day long!!!

Thank you cnulan!! Thank you.

Which blog are you talking about?

The one dedicated to pointing out the Leftist bias in Black blog sites? OR the one that focuses "WITHIN" the Black community and makes note of the dysfunction that allows us to stay as we are?

I guess these two cancels out my "Black Love" site where I attempt to express the milieu of "Black essentialism"!!! What about "Technical Reparation" that I crafted while in Jamaica using HIGH SPEED INTERNET that was brought to the island by a BLACK BILLIONAIRE - Michael Chin?

Brother Cnulan - what if I am FAR AHEAD OF YOU MAN? I wanted to compartmentalize my expressions in anticipation of haters just like YOU. I wanted to reserve "functional culture" for the positive, affirming posts" OR once which were strictly at the cultural level of our people and the analysis there in.

I then have my "With" site and "Bias" site to specifically function on the topics at hand. I try to insure that there is little bleed over between these sites.

It is clear that YOU find intolerable a Black man who dares to ASK QUESTIONS! Especially when the results that are being delivered are so short of the target that we need to be hitting.


Now his pain comes out. He is only attempting to get me to change for the better and stop hurting people.

Not intolerable, just useless...,

The singular focus of your obsessive critique doesn't benefit in any discernable manner, form, or fashion from your activities.

Beyond your anti-Black hobby enthusiasms, as an severely underemployed, non-technical minion of a warsocialist enterprise, you don't even contribute anything of value to the economy.

All-in-all, I'd say you belong to a class of useless eaters that won't very endure the impending economic collapse and population cull....,

Gravatar meant to write "that won't very well endure" - but then you know that already, and that's likely why you spend so much time anonymously externalizing your impotent rage....,
Gravatar from the safety of your home and office armchairs.....,


WOW. If he only knew.

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